tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.comments2024-03-03T13:29:43.931-06:00jackson & chakraborty family blogTinahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02030919919178950104noreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-9349117357795042812024-01-31T21:29:55.431-06:002024-01-31T21:29:55.431-06:00I know a 'Dhole' family who were earlier S...I know a 'Dhole' family who were earlier Sanyals. yes they are Barendra, vatsya gotra.Mr Bhattacharyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091506917331745425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-52740395113400343352024-01-31T10:05:47.223-06:002024-01-31T10:05:47.223-06:00My name is Rumi. I would like to know whether &quo...My name is Rumi. I would like to know whether "Dhole" surname belongs to Barendra Brahmin community while Gotra is Vatsab. Is it really true that erstwhile 'Dhole' surname holders were 'Sanyal'? Kindly educate me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-63477127302587423212023-11-08T09:47:48.696-06:002023-11-08T09:47:48.696-06:00add up Bhaduri (Bharadhwaj) they are Barendra tooadd up Bhaduri (Bharadhwaj) they are Barendra tooMr Bhattacharyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091506917331745425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-25565264624245593252023-11-07T05:07:54.434-06:002023-11-07T05:07:54.434-06:00Myself a Bhattacharya - Barendra- originally Sanya...Myself a Bhattacharya - Barendra- originally Sanyal - Batsya Gotra. Forefathers came from Faridpur (now Shariatpur) District of Bangladesh.Mr Bhattacharyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091506917331745425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-75137959627969921572023-05-08T16:14:48.571-05:002023-05-08T16:14:48.571-05:00Thanks you Arjun, I really appreciate your input a...Thanks you Arjun, I really appreciate your input as other who stumble upon here will as well!Tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030919919178950104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-28989705606262713112023-05-08T14:48:07.059-05:002023-05-08T14:48:07.059-05:00Tina. The correct definition of kulin is very diff...Tina. The correct definition of kulin is very difficult. It suffices to say that all the descendants of the 5 brahmins from Kanauj are not really Kulin. These five between them had over 50 sons (possibly from multiple wives). And the sons again (presumably) had several sons each. However, Ballal Sen, the king who started kulinism declared (after suitable testing), only 31 of these grandsons (if my recollection is correct) to be Kulin, meaning superior in terms of qualities. The rest were declared to be Vamsaja (by descent) Brahmins. I think Ballal Sen had intended the process of testing to go on indefinitely but once he died, the Brahmins, in their corruption, declared their sons and other patrilineal descendants to be Kulin. Obsessive kulinism, which you alluded to, began only in the 1480s (I think 1482) although I don't know why. It is from this period that it became mandatory for kulin brahmins to marry only kulin brahmins and for each family to maintain records of all marriages to establish this. I was intrigued to discover that the detail in my mother's family history starts from the 1480s, when thbite family lived in Khardaha but couldn't explain why it started only in the 1480s until I separately discovered the bit about obsessive Kulinism and its commencement.<br /><br />Kulin Brahmins, as you rightly mentioned, are drawn from either the Rarhi Panchagotra or the Barendra categories. These are geographical terms. Most of the Rarh is in West Bengal but some areas like Jessore fall within Bangladesh. Barendra refers to the northern districts of Bengal, comprising Dinajpur, Rangpur, Mymensingh, Bogura, Rajshahi, Pabna, Natore etc. If you are familiar with the geography, you will realise that Dinajpur plus the adjoining districts of Malda and Jalpaiguri fall within India. The rest are in Bangladesh. So part of Barendra is in India.<br /><br />The name-gotra connection within Rarhi is as follows: Banerjee=Sandilya. Mukerjee=Bharadvaja. Chatterjee=Kashyap. Ganguly=Savarna. Ghoshal=Vatsa. I do not know the exact equivalents among Barendra Brahmins but I do know that Sanyal=Vatsa and Lahiri=Sandilya. As to what Bhaduri, Bagchi and Maitra are, I don't know.<br /><br />I too have never heard of non Brahmin Chakrabortys in Bengal. That is not to say that they cannot or do not exist. But I have never heard of any.<br />Finally, I wholeheartedly endorse your view that all this is of no consequence today and is best ignored. However, I am a great collector of trivia and this forms part of my anthropological collection. Neither my sister nor I have married within the community and she, like you, has two American daughters with a German father. <br /><br />Arjunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-51311116894275720652023-04-10T22:49:39.008-05:002023-04-10T22:49:39.008-05:00Are surnames really needed? It is totally gender b...Are surnames really needed? It is totally gender biased. We generally do not take our mother's surname. Even we take our mother's surname , it is our maternal grandfather's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-10716613436710727332021-07-13T22:31:37.684-05:002021-07-13T22:31:37.684-05:00I'm actually here to research for Anthropology...I'm actually here to research for Anthropology at college. It's just a coincidence I'm Bengali:) Thanks for the detailed explanation!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218313516038163284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-69571622104696888092021-01-22T01:17:03.921-06:002021-01-22T01:17:03.921-06:00Can some goswami is also chakrabarty ??? Can some goswami is also chakrabarty ??? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-82899445691546901822020-11-18T01:10:55.769-06:002020-11-18T01:10:55.769-06:00Excellent and very exciting site. Love to watch. K...Excellent and very exciting site. Love to watch. 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I ...Hello my fellow curious ladies and gentlemen !<br /><br />I want to be sure about my original surname and shreny(varendra/rarhi/other)<br /><br />I know that we are <br />Chakravartty <br />from the Bharadwaj clan <br />followers of Samaveda / Samved <br /><br />But have doubt about of my original surname and shreny, since my family don't take these things Seriously.<br /><br />My uncle says that my grandfather told him that we are Mukherjee since we are from Bharadwaj gotra.<br /><br /> Also we all know that we have been residing in the Rarhi shreny in Bangladesh for the last 5 generations(excluding me) although we all know actually we migrated from Varendra shreny before that and call ourselves Varendra.<br /><br />My question can a Mukherjee be from Varendra / Barendra shreny?<br /><br />If yes, then how? <br /><br />If not, then what is the original surname of the Bharadwaj Brahmin people from Varendra Shreny who follow Samaveda /samved?<br /><br />As far as I know The title Chakravartty is not an original surname.<br />My great grandfather didn't use Chakravartty. Although his forefathers used Chakravartty. He used Pandit (it's different from the West/North Indian word for Brahmins. Here it means a wise person and a Kayasth can also be a Pandit) Pandit and Mahapandit titles were given in the British period in Bengal.<br /><br />so what is my real surname?<br />I'm really sad.<br />Also tell me what makes a Chakravartty a Chakravartty, I searched in Google, it's showing the literal meaning but saying the title is used in a metaphorical sense. What does that even mean?Bharadwaj Chakravartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11390277881398821571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-28124595707992192742020-02-20T08:45:10.674-06:002020-02-20T08:45:10.674-06:00Personally I think overjoyed I discovered the blog...Personally I think overjoyed I discovered the blogs. <a href="https://bestwisheshub.com/category/christmas-wishes/" rel="nofollow">Happy New Year Wishes</a><br />Robert Hudsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08964839847370566445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-90648573701547201032020-02-13T03:59:41.253-06:002020-02-13T03:59:41.253-06:00I’m excited to uncover this page. I need to to tha...I’m excited to uncover this page. I need to to thank you for ones time for this particularly fantastic read!! I definitely really liked every part of it and i also have you saved to fav to look at new information in your site. <a href="https://shop.firebooth.com/collections/tension-fabric-photo-booth-backdrops" rel="nofollow">Photo Booth Backdrops for Sale</a>nidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17941327925934234441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-73607721191185757612019-09-30T08:56:34.251-05:002019-09-30T08:56:34.251-05:00👍 I m border area rajput n I see the same people ... 👍 I m border area rajput n I see the same people on the other side of border are still living in medieval Era so it's just different levels of awareness ...information is not knowledge after all. Satrupahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16993728670835499588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-60822588521280773982019-09-30T08:47:39.082-05:002019-09-30T08:47:39.082-05:00I am from rajasthan I would like to know about you...I am from rajasthan I would like to know about your family lineage. ..I am told some people /rajput sardar from our extended family went to Bengal orrisa n settled there.. .Satrupahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16993728670835499588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-37915488983481468822019-09-18T23:19:26.328-05:002019-09-18T23:19:26.328-05:00Hello Tina,
I am Sanyal (Vatsav Gotra) married to ...Hello Tina,<br />I am Sanyal (Vatsav Gotra) married to a Chakraborty (Chatterjee originally, Kashyap gotra). Read this interesting Blog. I think we are all looking for our roots in these caste names.<br />I joined this discussion to tell you that Kulins are Brahmins who never left the Kul (clan). Brahmins who defied the prevailing caste norms of the day (like marrying outside it) were denigrated to being 'Kaafs'. I do not know what it means, but a Kaaf is not a Kulin. So all Barendra or Rarhi Brahmins are not Kulins. I know that my paternal ancestors were not.<br />Saw a query about a Moitra (Maitra) being a Brahmin. As you have explained in your Blog, Maitras are among the five families of Brahmins in Barendrabhoomi (broadly, Rangpur, Rajshahi, Mymensingha in the sub-Himalayan region I would assume, to down to Nadia - Shantipur in the Gangetic plains).<br />The Mitras, however, are Kayasthas, second in the caste hierarchy in Bengal - usually landed gentry, like the Basus and Ghoshes.<br />Cheers, MadhumitaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-13952452113687586672019-08-25T07:13:31.470-05:002019-08-25T07:13:31.470-05:00Hi Tina,
Nice reading. I am a Sengupta from Ahmeda...Hi Tina,<br />Nice reading. I am a Sengupta from Ahmedabad, Gujarat. My ancestors hailed from Murshidabad.<br />Can you please enlighten me about Sengupta lineage?Thanks..............ASGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03557621080136942590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-18841871293829076972019-08-20T05:22:00.231-05:002019-08-20T05:22:00.231-05:00What is caste of NathWhat is caste of NathAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-49982984142863738512019-05-25T14:00:39.945-05:002019-05-25T14:00:39.945-05:00Nice blog; very informative. Thank you. I am a Ben...Nice blog; very informative. Thank you. I am a Bengali Choudhuri (I follow the spelling used by my father; my brothers and sister write Chowdhury). Our original last name was Sanyal (Varendra; Vatsya gotra). One of my forefathers got the title as a badge of honor. So, the title Choudhuri became more prestigious than the original Brahmin last name!Supratimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05307888300876467878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-53069237525885707472019-05-25T13:55:23.539-05:002019-05-25T13:55:23.539-05:00Nice blog, very informative. I am a Choudhuri from...Nice blog, very informative. I am a Choudhuri from Bengal (I follow my father's spelling although my brothers and sister write Chowdhury). We were Sanyals originally (Varendra; Vatsya gotra). I guess my forefathers got the last name as a title from someone powerful at the time. Obviously the title was more prestigious than the Brahmin last name! Supratimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05307888300876467878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-49933094200848315162019-04-05T16:21:59.197-05:002019-04-05T16:21:59.197-05:00I read it carefully and I am Rakesh Chaudhary (Dha...I read it carefully and I am Rakesh Chaudhary (Dhaka gotra,JAT caste from Haryana).I wants to know ,Why King Billal Sen made Mata Dhakeshwari Tample and City Name Dhaka? Another last hindu king of Bhutan's Name Sindhu Raja and gotra was Sendhaka,even he changed name of Dichau riwar as Jaldhaka.<br />As per Maratha history ,we are brahm-kshtiya and decendant of King Virudhaka of kanshi koshal latar they were known as Sena vansh (Sena means kshtriya in pali langauge, Buddhist langauge).<br />Now all Jats are telling us Dhaka Bangala.My Mother's Gorta is Barman (In haryanavi langauge Birhman).<br />One of our acendant Vichitra Deva (Military Commandor of Chandel king accupied Gwalier Fort in 950 upto 1008)His Son Udey bhanu Deva helped to save Punjab as well as Ajmer from Mugal's.<br />What is the actual root of our Gotra. If Billal Sen was Baidya than ,Who we are?<br />STARhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02506443665772081013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-43538872145326382462019-03-27T15:09:16.172-05:002019-03-27T15:09:16.172-05:00The common surnames of Barendra brahmin family are...The common surnames of Barendra brahmin family are (ranked equally):<br /><br /> • Sanyal (Vatsav/Vatsya)<br /><br /> • Lahiri (Shandilya)<br /><br /> • Bagchi (Shandilya)<br /><br /> • Moitra (Kashyap)Tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030919919178950104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-71316340182210716582019-03-27T12:53:56.266-05:002019-03-27T12:53:56.266-05:00hii tina ! i am tuhin chakraborty. ( i am actually...hii tina ! i am tuhin chakraborty. ( i am actually ganguly , my family was got the title 'chakraborty' by zamidari + puja of hindu god's.my family are from gopalganj sub. division of bangladesh. in present we are live in india ) my gotra is 'basyav gotra ' . you know which type of brahmman we are ? (barendra / rarhi ) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17645689034832347245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6615114194612406280.post-1113396984582396042019-01-10T10:39:58.846-06:002019-01-10T10:39:58.846-06:00Tina I am Uday Chakravarty . I am Scientist in RRC...Tina I am Uday Chakravarty . I am Scientist in RRCAT Indore. We have always lived outside Bengal, so I am not very sure of my lineage. I have heard from my jethu we were Sanyal and Vatsa gotta. Forefathers belonged to East Bengal. The place of our origin is slipping of my mind. Your descriptions matched well with mine so I am writing. Hope you will replyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411697842788263251noreply@blogger.com